talked about the strategy. we are watching the presidential debate and there weren't too many sparks flying in that debate. do you think that's going to happen in this one? >> well, you know, you can always count on vice president biden to say something interesting. the question is, whether he will have to perhaps back away from it later on. he is renowned for his gaffs but we also know that biden is a very, very experienced politician. he has been in the senate for a lot of years. he knows how to debate on the floor of congress and he made a very spirited defense of the obama record at the democratic convention. expect the same thing to happen here tonight. >> do you think there will be as many viewers for this vice- presidential debate as there was four years ago? >> reporter: who knows? it's unlikely given the fact that sarah palin had so much more of a, dare we say it -- wow factor politically than does ryan? but there will be a lot of interest. i was just looking at a google board. google has this tracking